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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

Quote:
WHAT? All those quotes from princess bride for nothing??? oh well, good
practice...

princess who?

(enough, no more.... please no more)

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

On Jul 20, 2004 "Neil" blathered:

Quote:
would you do it in your socks?
would you do it on a box?
would you di it on a house?
would you do it with a mouse?
would you do it on a train?
would you do it on a train?
would you do it here or there?
could you send pics in your underware?

I will not do it with a goat.
I will not do it in a boat.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

TechGeekPro <%username%@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns952C93EEB3D29TechGeekPro@216.196.97.142:

Quote:
I will not do it with a goat.
I will not do it in a boat.

you asked for it
(long)

<rap on>
Hey kids, listen up if you want to be sick
'Cause your dinner looks like something from a Cronenburg flick
Think twice before you cuss and shout "*** *** ***"
Let me tell you a story about green eggs and ham.
There was a little yellow man called Sam-I-Am
That's me!
I don't like you, Sam-I-Am
Well, that's fine, that's cool, I understand
But do you like green eggs and ham?
I don't like green eggs and ham
No, I don't like 'em, Sam-I-Am
Would you like them here or there?
I wouldn't like them anywhere
'Cause I do not like them, Sam-I-Am
No, I don't like green eggs and ham
Would you like them in a house? Would you like them with a mouse?
Maybe you can't hear, you got something in your ear?
No
I'm gonna make this perfectly clear
I would not like them in a house, I would not like them with a mouse
I would not like them here or there, I wouldn't like them anywhere
'Cause I do not like them, Sam-I-Am,
No, not for me, green eggs and ham
Would you like them if I served them to you in a box
Candlelight, wine and a bottle of scotch?
Yeah, some soft lighting, soft music, maybe some Fred Penner on the
blaster...
Not in a box with a fox or a house with a mouse
Stop bugging me, you louse!
I would not eat them, no, man, I don't like your green eggs and ham
Well, would you could you in a car, eat them, don't deny who you are
He's gonna like them, you're gonna see
You might like them up in a tree
No, not in a tree, not in a car, would you let me be
No fox no box no house no mouse, not here, there, or anywhere
'Cause you guessed it, I don't like green eggs and ham
I don't like 'em, Sam-I-Am
A train, a train, a train, a train! Would you, could you in a train
Or up in an aeroplane?
How 'bout in the dark? We could drive and park
We could listen to the crickets and the pit bulls bark
No, not in a plane, not in the dark, not on a train, not in a car, not up
a
tree
'Cause I don't like 'em, Sam, see,
Not in a schoolhouse or a shoebox with a house-mouse or a red fox
Not here, there, and everywhere
Didn't even like the Beatles with their long, long hair.
Hey! You lay off the Beatles, buddy! ...
Well, you don't like green eggs and ham
Oh, Mr. Perception, Sam-I-Am
Well I know that you'd like 'em if you ate 'em with a goat!
I would not could not with a goat
Well would you could you on a boat
I would not could not on a boat
And I will not ever with a goat
I'm not interested in stuffing face in the rain, on a train, I should
introduce you to my friend pain
Not in the dark, not up a tree,
Not on your fine china with Earl Grey Tea
No boxes, foxes, houses, mouses, husbands and wives - no spouses!
Why you trying to make me eat that?
I don't like it, I wouldn't serve it to my cat
I said already, I don't like them, Sam-I-Am,
I do not like green eggs ham!
Mr. Cheese! You just think you don't like them, so you say
And he's beginning to remind me of Doris Day
You say you don't like this and you don't like that
Well you're starting to sound like a finicky cat
Just try them, try them, and you may find you like nothing better than
Two greenish eggs over easy in the fry-pan
And to accompany this fine taste we have Martian ham - pork from space!
Now Sam, if you get out of my face
I'll try that and puke all over the place (good!)
Nothing makes a crowd disperse more quick
Than a great big puddle of sick!
Say...say...not bad, green eggs and ham
I believe I like them, Sam-I-Am
And I'd eat them in a boat, with a billy goat,
I'd eat them in the rain in the dark on a train
In a car, up a tree, they're pretty good, you see
So I'd eat them in a box with a fox
I'd eat them in a house and with the house-mouse
I'd eat them here, I'd eat them there
I'd eat them in my Fruit-of-the-Loom underwear
I think you're ok, Sam-I-Am
Well, I wouldn't let you down, you stubborn old man!
Hey, we should share them, eh, we got enough
...Are you kidding? I don't eat that stuff!
<rap off>

{$1 to Moxy Fruvous}

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Neil MCNGP #30
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

On Jul 20, 2004 "Neil" blathered:

Quote:
TechGeekPro <%username%@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns952C93EEB3D29TechGeekPro@216.196.97.142:

I will not do it with a goat.
I will not do it in a boat.

you asked for it
(long)

rap on

<snipped insane little song lyrics>

You really do need to get out more Neil.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

TechGeekPro <%username%@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns952C976728FF3TechGeekPro@216.196.97.142:

Quote:

You really do need to get out more Neil.

WHAT!?!?! and leave all this?

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Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

On Jul 20, 2004 "Neil" blathered:

Quote:
WHAT!?!?! and leave all this?

You're right. What was I thinking?

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MCNGP #36, MCSA, A+, Net+, i-Net+
"Not only am I certified, I'm certifiable!"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

"Mary E" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:15c801c46f31$8a209bd0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
Quote:
The Ethics of Braindumping

full article

© Mary E. Robinson July 21, 2004

Did you write this? if so, you should get it published in some magazines.
can i get copyright permissions to this article, so that i can post it any
time a braindumper comes along? Tell me if and where you get it published.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

Mary E wrote:
Quote:
The Ethics of Braindumping

<Snip>

Quote:
Good luck on the road to certification!

© Mary E. Robinson July 21, 2004

I'm keeping this post...

PotW, possibly PotY

Mary, if this is your own work, and I'm guessing from your copyright that it
is, you should submit this to MCP or Certification magazine.

BTW, are you Laura's sister?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

YAWN


"Mary E" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:15c801c46f31$8a209bd0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
The Ethics of Braindumping

The use of Braindumps is a very controversial and
confusing subject. Part of the problem is the lack of an
agreement as to what the term "Braindump" means. To some,
it means emptying everything in your memory onto paper.
This is actually a great thing to be able to do. When you
go to take a test, if you can write your notes from your
studies onto the sheets of paper that they give you for
just that purpose, it will be a terrific help in taking
the test. But that is not the most common definition of
Braindumps these days, and that is where the problems lie.

"Real Test Questions From Actual Tests!"

When you take a certification test, you are asked to sign
a legal statement that you will not divulge the contents
of the exam to anyone. Some vendors of the less than
savory kind will pay money to test takers who are willing
to break their contract with the testing originator to get
the actual test questions. So dishonesty is involved in
the creation of these types of Braindumps from the very
beginning. The creators of the Braindumps will then sell
these "test simulators" that have "real test questions
from actual tests" to those who are seeking the
certification. What they will not mention is that if the
test taker is identified as a user of these materials,
their present certification will be revoked, and any
future certification will not be allowed. Also, the person
who sold the questions to the vendor will lose their
certification, and any hope of future certification. And
what about the vendors themselves? Recently, CompTIA has
successfully sued a few of the Braindump vendors in court
and has won the suits. Part of the settlement included
lists of the customers that the vendors sold their
Braindumps to.

"But the Tests Are So Unfair!"

Back in my freshman year of college, I took a class in
ethics (it fulfilled the mandatory Philosophy
requirement). In this class we discussed Situational
Ethics, which is how do you behave ethically in an adverse
situation. In the realm of certification tests, there are
many complaints (many of them valid) that the tests are
unrealistic and unfair. In Ethics class the question would
have been phrased, "If a test is unfair, is that a valid
reason to cheat to pass it?" How you answer this question
depends on the value you place on having the certification
versus the value you place on your own integrity. In High
School and College, most of us would never have even
considered buying the questions and answers to an exam.
Why is certification different?

When Time is of the Essence

I can understand, and to some extent sympathize with the
temptation of the Braindumps. If you are under pressure
from a deadline to take the test or lose your job, and you
are not ready for the test, the temptation can be
overpowering. But how many people in this predicament go
to the boss and explain that they just need a few more
weeks to study? If you scheduled the test, and then
realize that you are not as prepared as you thought you
would be by the time the test is a few days away, you can
reschedule. I just called a very nice man at Prometric and
rescheduled a test that I was going to take on Thursday,
and he was ever so understanding and helpful. I am lucky
enough be on no ones' schedule but my own, but even if I
was under pressure from my job, I would prefer to tell the
boss that I was not ready than to feel that I would have
to cheat to keep my job.

Let's Get Practical

If the ethical argument does not persuade you to avoid
Braindumps, how about some practical observations? I have
seen some sites that claim to guarantee that you will pass
if you use their materials that include actual questions
from actual tests. But what if you still fail? What if
their answers are wrong? How do you go about suing a
company that you bought stolen test questions from? That
would certainly make for an interesting case! And that is
something that these companies count on. Also, if you have
time to memorize the questions and answers, why don't you
have the time to study and actually learn the material you
will need for the job that the certification validates
your skills and knowledge for?

Who Are You Trying To Kid?

Suppose that everything goes according to plan, and the
use of Braindumps to get the certification goes unnoticed
by anyone. If you have relied on anyone or anything other
than yourself to become certified, you will not have
gotten the knowledge you will need to do the job that you
got certified for. Many companies have technical
interviews that require you to demonstrate your skills
and/or knowledge. If you do not really have the abilities
that the certification claims for you, you will fail the
technical interview. This will make it that much harder
for you and for anyone who follows to get the job.
Companies do communicate with each other, and if you do
poorly in a technical interview, the word will get around.

So Why is There so Much Controversy?

If the only person to get hurt by the use of Braindumps is
the person who gets caught using them, why is there so
much controversy and anger over their use? The answer is
that it is all of the tech community that suffers. If
people can pass a certification by memorizing the
questions and answers, the certification loses its value
as a tool to demonstrate ability to do the job. This then,
becomes a negative reflection on all who hold that
certification. Unfortunately, the old adage that old adage
that "Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win" is not
always true. Sometimes a person can get a job or a
promotion by using Braindumps, and it makes the people who
use traditional study and hard work angry. This is a very
sad situation. The tech community contains a large number
of people who stand ready to help newcomers to learn the
tricks of the trade. The use of shortcuts instead of
actual learning is so unnecessary, and so divisive.

Do the Right Thing!

From both an ethical and a practical standpoint, the use
of Braindumps is a bad idea. Even if you do not get caught
and stripped of your certification, if you do not really
learn the knowledge and the skills you will ultimately
fail. You may be found out by making a mistake that costs
the company a lot of money and trouble, or you may be
found out by your fellow employees. If you really want a
place in the Information Technology field, you need to
really work at it. The easy way out is rarely the best
way. When you have really earned that certification
through hard work, it is worth so much more than just the
letters behind your name. As my mother always says to
me, "Do the right thing".

Good luck on the road to certification!

© Mary E. Robinson July 21, 2004

Quote:
-----Original Message-----

"Fares" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:2ee0e01c46da7$3a3def40$a601280a@phx.gbl...
well a friend was telling about a company, from memory
it
was called testking , were I can get copies of all the
exams and learn from them, from the sounds of it this is
the easiest way, just hope they don't charge me to much,
thanks for your help

OK, so I'm going to guess you really are new at this, so
here it goes:

Question: do you really want to learn the product, or do
you just want a
bunch of letters after your name? If you want to actually
learn and be
proficient with a Microsoft product, I would suggest
searching Microsoft's
web site, particularly technet. Buy resource material;
there's a ton of
books out there. Obtain software (MS often had trial/demo
versions);
install, play, break, re-install. If you just want the
letters after your
name, buy testking, search the braindumps, pass the tests
without knowing
anything, and then find out the hard way that many
companies are well aware
that they could potentially hire an MCSE who doesn't have
a clue what's
going on.

Your choice.

steve.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

The Ethics of Braindumping

The use of Braindumps is a very controversial and
confusing subject. Part of the problem is the lack of an
agreement as to what the term "Braindump" means. To some,
it means emptying everything in your memory onto paper.
This is actually a great thing to be able to do. When you
go to take a test, if you can write your notes from your
studies onto the sheets of paper that they give you for
just that purpose, it will be a terrific help in taking
the test. But that is not the most common definition of
Braindumps these days, and that is where the problems lie.

"Real Test Questions From Actual Tests!"

When you take a certification test, you are asked to sign
a legal statement that you will not divulge the contents
of the exam to anyone. Some vendors of the less than
savory kind will pay money to test takers who are willing
to break their contract with the testing originator to get
the actual test questions. So dishonesty is involved in
the creation of these types of Braindumps from the very
beginning. The creators of the Braindumps will then sell
these "test simulators" that have "real test questions
from actual tests" to those who are seeking the
certification. What they will not mention is that if the
test taker is identified as a user of these materials,
their present certification will be revoked, and any
future certification will not be allowed. Also, the person
who sold the questions to the vendor will lose their
certification, and any hope of future certification. And
what about the vendors themselves? Recently, CompTIA has
successfully sued a few of the Braindump vendors in court
and has won the suits. Part of the settlement included
lists of the customers that the vendors sold their
Braindumps to.

"But the Tests Are So Unfair!"

Back in my freshman year of college, I took a class in
ethics (it fulfilled the mandatory Philosophy
requirement). In this class we discussed Situational
Ethics, which is how do you behave ethically in an adverse
situation. In the realm of certification tests, there are
many complaints (many of them valid) that the tests are
unrealistic and unfair. In Ethics class the question would
have been phrased, "If a test is unfair, is that a valid
reason to cheat to pass it?" How you answer this question
depends on the value you place on having the certification
versus the value you place on your own integrity. In High
School and College, most of us would never have even
considered buying the questions and answers to an exam.
Why is certification different?

When Time is of the Essence

I can understand, and to some extent sympathize with the
temptation of the Braindumps. If you are under pressure
from a deadline to take the test or lose your job, and you
are not ready for the test, the temptation can be
overpowering. But how many people in this predicament go
to the boss and explain that they just need a few more
weeks to study? If you scheduled the test, and then
realize that you are not as prepared as you thought you
would be by the time the test is a few days away, you can
reschedule. I just called a very nice man at Prometric and
rescheduled a test that I was going to take on Thursday,
and he was ever so understanding and helpful. I am lucky
enough be on no ones' schedule but my own, but even if I
was under pressure from my job, I would prefer to tell the
boss that I was not ready than to feel that I would have
to cheat to keep my job.

Let's Get Practical

If the ethical argument does not persuade you to avoid
Braindumps, how about some practical observations? I have
seen some sites that claim to guarantee that you will pass
if you use their materials that include actual questions
from actual tests. But what if you still fail? What if
their answers are wrong? How do you go about suing a
company that you bought stolen test questions from? That
would certainly make for an interesting case! And that is
something that these companies count on. Also, if you have
time to memorize the questions and answers, why don't you
have the time to study and actually learn the material you
will need for the job that the certification validates
your skills and knowledge for?

Who Are You Trying To Kid?

Suppose that everything goes according to plan, and the
use of Braindumps to get the certification goes unnoticed
by anyone. If you have relied on anyone or anything other
than yourself to become certified, you will not have
gotten the knowledge you will need to do the job that you
got certified for. Many companies have technical
interviews that require you to demonstrate your skills
and/or knowledge. If you do not really have the abilities
that the certification claims for you, you will fail the
technical interview. This will make it that much harder
for you and for anyone who follows to get the job.
Companies do communicate with each other, and if you do
poorly in a technical interview, the word will get around.

So Why is There so Much Controversy?

If the only person to get hurt by the use of Braindumps is
the person who gets caught using them, why is there so
much controversy and anger over their use? The answer is
that it is all of the tech community that suffers. If
people can pass a certification by memorizing the
questions and answers, the certification loses its value
as a tool to demonstrate ability to do the job. This then,
becomes a negative reflection on all who hold that
certification. Unfortunately, the old adage that old adage
that "Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win" is not
always true. Sometimes a person can get a job or a
promotion by using Braindumps, and it makes the people who
use traditional study and hard work angry. This is a very
sad situation. The tech community contains a large number
of people who stand ready to help newcomers to learn the
tricks of the trade. The use of shortcuts instead of
actual learning is so unnecessary, and so divisive.

Do the Right Thing!

From both an ethical and a practical standpoint, the use
of Braindumps is a bad idea. Even if you do not get caught
and stripped of your certification, if you do not really
learn the knowledge and the skills you will ultimately
fail. You may be found out by making a mistake that costs
the company a lot of money and trouble, or you may be
found out by your fellow employees. If you really want a
place in the Information Technology field, you need to
really work at it. The easy way out is rarely the best
way. When you have really earned that certification
through hard work, it is worth so much more than just the
letters behind your name. As my mother always says to
me, "Do the right thing".

Good luck on the road to certification!

© Mary E. Robinson July 21, 2004

Quote:
-----Original Message-----

"Fares" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:2ee0e01c46da7$3a3def40$a601280a@phx.gbl...
well a friend was telling about a company, from memory
it
was called testking , were I can get copies of all the
exams and learn from them, from the sounds of it this is
the easiest way, just hope they don't charge me to much,
thanks for your help

OK, so I'm going to guess you really are new at this, so
here it goes:

Question: do you really want to learn the product, or do
you just want a
bunch of letters after your name? If you want to actually
learn and be
proficient with a Microsoft product, I would suggest
searching Microsoft's
web site, particularly technet. Buy resource material;
there's a ton of
books out there. Obtain software (MS often had trial/demo
versions);
install, play, break, re-install. If you just want the
letters after your
name, buy testking, search the braindumps, pass the tests
without knowing
anything, and then find out the hard way that many
companies are well aware
that they could potentially hire an MCSE who doesn't have
a clue what's
going on.

Your choice.

steve.


.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

Hi GUYS,

Well, I am student in college, and I am 19 yrs old.
I don't have enough money to take the microsoft exam, i
run out my saving money. I cant do the exam for
microsoft.
anyone can give a microsoft test voucher to take my exams.



thanks guys

A. O.




Quote:
-----Original Message-----
babbling on and on again "Mary E"
anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com
spewed in news:15c801c46f31$8a209bd0$a501280a@phx.gbl:

The Ethics of Braindumping

Work of Art Regretably Snipped

That was beautiful...PotD, Potm and more

I like your style...

--
Neil MCNGP #30
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata
descendum pantorum.
.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

babbling on and on again "Mary E" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
spewed in news:15c801c46f31$8a209bd0$a501280a@phx.gbl:

Quote:
The Ethics of Braindumping

Work of Art Regretably Snipped

That was beautiful...PotD, Potm and more

I like your style...

--
Neil MCNGP #30
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

Yes
sure

Quote:
-----Original Message-----
"Mary E" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:15c801c46f31$8a209bd0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
The Ethics of Braindumping

full article

© Mary E. Robinson July 21, 2004

Did you write this? if so, you should get it published in
some magazines.
can i get copyright permissions to this article, so that
i can post it any
time a braindumper comes along? Tell me if and where you
get it published.


.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

Mary E. wrote:
Quote:
Yes
sure

Dang... she replies to the 13-year-old first.

Maybe I forgot to use my Mitchum today.

--
Fris "Or was it the (lack of) Listerine?" bee®, MCNGP #13

The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
http://www.mcngp.tk

Certaholics
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: MCSE & MCDBA Reply with quote

"Mary E." <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Yes
sure

Is this Mary E's posting, or is it just another anonymous posting?
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