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 Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: Organizing the IT staff |
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I need to advise management on the right way to organize our IT staff. Are there any white papers or other guidance from MS on this? I haven't really found anything that describes how developers and systems engineers should interact and who should do what. Thanks!
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Consultant
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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easy, never give developers admin rights on your servers
"ResearchIT" <ResearchIT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I need to advise management on the right way to organize our IT staff. Are
there any white papers or other guidance from MS on this? I haven't really |
found anything that describes how developers and systems engineers should
interact and who should do what. Thanks!
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Neil
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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"=?Utf-8?B?UmVzZWFyY2hJVA==?=" <ResearchIT@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in news:7803F31B-E9E1-4137-A823-DCBC00F6D90A@microsoft.com:
| Quote: | the right way to organize our IT staff.
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usually in a circle, or sometimes a square...possibly in a straight
line...I also like from tallest to shortest...John down the hall likes to
do it alphabetically....
I will assume that you have at least had a cursory look at the MOF/MSF
concepts? NO? oh, well then:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/techguide/mof/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/techguide/msf/default.mspx
tiny url the dang things yerself....
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Neil
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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"=?Utf-8?B?UmVzZWFyY2hJVA==?=" <ResearchIT@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in news:8869663F-4628-4959-A3F4-CD796E083DD0@microsoft.com:
| Quote: | Would you say that it would not be advisable to have an IT staff of 5
divided into systems and development departments?
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sometimes yes sometimes no. depends on the org but you never know. I
would strongly encourage you not to divide a staff of one...very messy
and there are a lot of questions from the authorities....
(this is vaguely familiar to discussions I have had over where to draw AD
site boundries and a whole "how long is a piece of string" item)
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ResearchIT
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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Thanks, Neil.
I was afraid that I would find thousands of pages, and I did. But at least now I have SOMETHING.
Would you say that it would not be advisable to have an IT staff of 5 divided into systems and development departments? I can't see any benefit. Systems people and developers need to be in locked step to be successful. What do you think?
Thanks again.
ResearchIT
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| Quote: | "=?Utf-8?B?UmVzZWFyY2hJVA==?=" <ResearchIT@discussions.microsoft.com
wrote in news:7803F31B-E9E1-4137-A823-DCBC00F6D90A@microsoft.com:
the right way to organize our IT staff.
usually in a circle, or sometimes a square...possibly in a straight
line...I also like from tallest to shortest...John down the hall likes to
do it alphabetically....
I will assume that you have at least had a cursory look at the MOF/MSF
concepts? NO? oh, well then:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/techguide/mof/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/techguide/msf/default.mspx
tiny url the dang things yerself....
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Neil MCNGP #30
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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| Quote: | easy, never give developers admin rights on your servers
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Absolutely. Tell them they have admin rights, but don't actually give
them those rights... makes 'em feel real special!
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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| Quote: | (this is vaguely familiar to discussions I have had over where to draw AD
site boundries and a whole "how long is a piece of string" item)
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amazing how many companies don't understand their own corporate
structure.... sad....
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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billyw
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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you could also divide them on religious grounds.
then there would be competition between the group and they'd all claim that
"god" supported them...
"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "=?Utf-8?B?UmVzZWFyY2hJVA==?=" <ResearchIT@discussions.microsoft.com
wrote in news:7803F31B-E9E1-4137-A823-DCBC00F6D90A@microsoft.com:
the right way to organize our IT staff.
usually in a circle, or sometimes a square...possibly in a straight
line...I also like from tallest to shortest...John down the hall likes to
do it alphabetically....
I will assume that you have at least had a cursory look at the MOF/MSF
concepts? NO? oh, well then:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/techguide/mof/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/techguide/msf/default.mspx
tiny url the dang things yerself....
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Neil MCNGP #30
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Neil
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in
news:OrbSdNmbEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
| Quote: | you could also divide them on religious grounds.
then there would be competition between the group and they'd all claim
that "god" supported them...
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I could also try by political bent or their sexual orientation but then I
would have some vile watchdog organizations make my life more
difficult...nope I will stick with tallest to shortest until the "society
for the prevention of cruelty to the vertically challenged" kick up a
fuss...
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Neil MCNGP #30
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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| Quote: | you could also divide them on religious grounds.
then there would be competition between the group and they'd all claim that
"god" supported them...
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ROTFLMAO!!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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billyw
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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DWARFIST!!!!
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| Quote: | "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in
news:OrbSdNmbEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
you could also divide them on religious grounds.
then there would be competition between the group and they'd all claim
that "god" supported them...
I could also try by political bent or their sexual orientation but then I
would have some vile watchdog organizations make my life more
difficult...nope I will stick with tallest to shortest until the "society
for the prevention of cruelty to the vertically challenged" kick up a
fuss...
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Neil MCNGP #30
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum. |
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Neil
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in news:#GfZx3mbEHA.904
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
fine, I'll organize tehm alphabetically now
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Neil MCNGP #30
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Jim
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Organizing the IT staff |
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Not sure what you meant by "organising" your IT staff.
If its general guidance and worlds best practice you're after, I'd suggest
studying up on the ITIL framework.
http://www.itil-itsm-world.com/
"ResearchIT" <ResearchIT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7803F31B-E9E1-4137-A823-DCBC00F6D90A@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | I need to advise management on the right way to organize our IT staff. Are
there any white papers or other guidance from MS on this? I haven't really
found anything that describes how developers and systems engineers should
interact and who should do what. Thanks!
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"A negative attitude is a handicap of the worst magnitude." - Author
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