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 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:30 pm Post subject: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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I have seen MCSD works in Home depot as a helper.
Is it industry problem or Microsoft Problem? |
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Tom Dacon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: Re: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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I guess you'd have to know something about that particular MCSD who is
working as a helper in Home Depot. Maybe it's the helper's problem.
But seriously...
Of all the companies I've ever worked at, only one ever mentioned Microsoft
certification. I think that most employers either aren't aware of Microsoft
certification, or don't understand it.
In any event, it doesn't matter what certifications you have if you can't
demonstrate well-developed skills. Apparently, from what I read on this NG,
it's possible to pass the certification tests just from study, without
having any relevant experience. If you presented your MCSD certificate to an
employer who understood what certification means, but you couldn't show real
experience or a well-rounded understanding of what you were supposed to
know, it should be no surprise if you don't get a job offer. It should also
be no surprise if you get the job and then later get fired for not knowing
your stuff.
On the other hand, it possible that if I liked the person I'd hire someone
who had the certification but no experience, but I'd hire him into a very
junior position and let him have an opportunity to prove himself. (or
herself)
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting
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| Quote: | I have seen MCSD works in Home depot as a helper.
Is it industry problem or Microsoft Problem? |
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Cindy Winegarden
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:30 am Post subject: Re: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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If you read the other groups you'll get the general impression that this
person is trolling.
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Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
cindy_winegarden@msn.com www.cindywinegarden.com
"Tom Dacon" <tdacon@community.nospam> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I guess you'd have to know something about that particular MCSD who is
working as a helper in Home Depot. Maybe it's the helper's problem.
But seriously...
Of all the companies I've ever worked at, only one ever mentioned
Microsoft certification. I think that most employers either aren't aware
of Microsoft certification, or don't understand it.
In any event, it doesn't matter what certifications you have if you can't
demonstrate well-developed skills. Apparently, from what I read on this
NG, it's possible to pass the certification tests just from study, without
having any relevant experience. If you presented your MCSD certificate to
an employer who understood what certification means, but you couldn't show
real experience or a well-rounded understanding of what you were supposed
to know, it should be no surprise if you don't get a job offer. It should
also be no surprise if you get the job and then later get fired for not
knowing your stuff.
On the other hand, it possible that if I liked the person I'd hire someone
who had the certification but no experience, but I'd hire him into a very
junior position and let him have an opportunity to prove himself. (or
herself)
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting
anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I have seen MCSD works in Home depot as a helper.
Is it industry problem or Microsoft Problem?
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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| Quote: | I have seen MCSD works in Home depot as a helper.
Is it industry problem or Microsoft Problem?
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The 'problem' is that there is far more to IT than what is covered by
the MCSD cert or any other certification for that matter.
Any fool can become an MCSD, and yes that's microsoft's problem.
Unfortunately, too many of these fools, make it into tin pot companies
who are stupid enough to employ them, and that's an industry problem.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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| Quote: | If you presented your MCSD certificate to an
employer who understood what certification means, but you couldn't show real
experience or a well-rounded understanding of what you were supposed to
know, it should be no surprise if you don't get a job offer.
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exactly.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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Tom Dacon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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Sorry for feeding the troll, Cindy.
Some days you bite the troll, some days the troll bites you...
TD
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Patrick Dickey
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:30 am Post subject: Re: MCSD cried for help cause of no job on MCP site |
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"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have seen MCSD works in Home depot as a helper.
Is it industry problem or Microsoft Problem?
The 'problem' is that there is far more to IT than what is covered by
the MCSD cert or any other certification for that matter.
Any fool can become an MCSD, and yes that's microsoft's problem.
Unfortunately, too many of these fools, make it into tin pot companies
who are stupid enough to employ them, and that's an industry problem.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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Or it could be neither.. I work for a herbicide company (Monsanto) and we
have a lab technician who is Office Certified. He did it on his own. Not
for work, but because it interested him.
Patrick.
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