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CloseToDotNETSD
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 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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okay
I know Braindump is pure cheat.
I know that MS provides practice exams for their courses in .NET.
I know they approve the practice exams by MeasureUP and Transcender and one
other I have seen lately.
So what makes one practice exam okay and another like say (don't flame me
here) testking not okay.
It is very disturbing that there are no clear cut guidelines, just a lot of
emotion over this issue.
I have been studying for over a year now for MCSD and have only used
MeasureUP simply because it is supplied by the outfit I am using for the
training.
What disturbs me even more is some of my classmates who have not studied at
all have taken exams and passed with flying colors - like 900+. Even worse
one case I know never took any other exams and only studied for the 70-300
for 2 weeks and took the exam and got 900+ and he told me he would cheat.
So I am upset about this because I won't cheat but my question on testking
still stands. Is it a full out cheat like braindump?
What is the difference???? |
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kpg
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | So what makes one practice exam okay and another like say (don't flame me
here) testking not okay.
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Maybe because the others pay ms money?
testking have a reputation for supplying the actual questions from the
exams.
I've seen posts in the past regarding the other <cough> practice test
providers, which mentioned some of their questions were very close or
the same as those in the real thing. However, given the format and
simplicity of the actual exams, it's not surprising.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | testking = braindump
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two points. Try for four!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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Alice Ciccu (MS)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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"CloseToDotNETSD" <CloseToDotNETSD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | okay
I know Braindump is pure cheat.
I know that MS provides practice exams for their courses in .NET.
I know they approve the practice exams by MeasureUP and Transcender and
one
other I have seen lately.
So what makes one practice exam okay and another like say (don't flame me
here) testking not okay.
It is very disturbing that there are no clear cut guidelines, just a lot
of
emotion over this issue.
I have been studying for over a year now for MCSD and have only used
MeasureUP simply because it is supplied by the outfit I am using for the
training.
What disturbs me even more is some of my classmates who have not studied
at
all have taken exams and passed with flying colors - like 900+. Even worse
one case I know never took any other exams and only studied for the 70-300
for 2 weeks and took the exam and got 900+ and he told me he would cheat.
So I am upset about this because I won't cheat but my question on testking
still stands. Is it a full out cheat like braindump?
What is the difference????
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There are only two Practice Test Providers that Microsoft officially
recognizes, MeasureUp and SelfTest Software. These two companies are part of
our Practice Test Provider program and agree to follow certain standards
when developing their content.
--
Alice Ciccu
Assessments and Certification Exams
Microsoft Learning
"This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no rights." |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | testking have a reputation for supplying the actual
questions from the
exams.
I've seen posts in the past regarding the other <cough
practice test
providers, which mentioned some of their questions were
very close or
the same as those in the real thing. However, given the
format and
simplicity of the actual exams, it's not surprising.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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I agree and it is why I am asking. I can verify that some
questions on Transcender and MeasureUP were so close to
the test as to be - HEY, I RECOGNIZE THAT! Maybe 3 in both
cases.
So maybe MS allows a very small percentage to the
recognized providers to make some feel they are getting
the real thing.
My instructor passed out a testking that someone gave him
which i started to look at but the felt very uncomfortable
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Test-Dump
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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looooooolz, a good one =:)
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
testking = braindump
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | There are only two Practice Test Providers that Microsoft officially
recognizes, MeasureUp and SelfTest Software. These two companies are part of
our Practice Test Provider program and agree to follow certain standards
when developing their content.
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any chance of taking test king to court?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | My instructor passed out a testking that someone gave him
which i started to look at but the felt very uncomfortable
about.
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i hope they get closed down.
please post the name of company here or to
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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I would like to in part but I can't. I know he, the
instructor, would never use one himself and he did it for
a favor for someone in our group that really needed help.
This person in turn passed it on to others. Frankly I
would have used it 9testking) if I had not at one time
online here for a couple of book recommendations and saw
the discussions about braindumps and testking.
Again, it isn't right but MS and the test makers that are
sticking to the guidelines need to be the ones to shutdown
outfits like testking.
I live in an area of the country that is supposed to be a
real bright star in IT for such a small population but we
in IT are really hurting here.
Over the last 2+ years we have lost perhaps as much as
2000 IT positions with a total population of no more than
500,000. Some new jobs have opened up but they are all
cost centers and small entrepreneurial outfits of 1 to 5
employees.
One other point here. I have noticed that some responders
on this group have a real elitist opinion about being able
to qualify for a certification on anything other that
experience. This attitude is really quite selfish as many
of us can work at large or small corporations for many
years and never gain the experience needed so need and
rely on training and books to get it. Many even large
corporations are very slow to invest in new technology and
when they do they seek to keep the expenses down to the
point of very low quality work.
Case in point is the company I worked at here that laid of
over 800 IT people at one time. They still have not
implemented .NET - are struggling to do so but very
poorly. They are mostly leaving it up to the employees to
learn this. In fact they were requiring the IT people to
build ASP.NET WEB pages using Notepad or Homesite. I
suppose they could really learn the in and outs of the
technology but outch.
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
My instructor passed out a testking that someone gave
him
which i started to look at but the felt very
uncomfortable
about.
i hope they get closed down.
please post the name of company here or to
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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Alice Ciccu (MS)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:g7jvn0h3rd2ishm3rrt716c9f4cavph9aq@4ax.com...
| Quote: | There are only two Practice Test Providers that Microsoft officially
recognizes, MeasureUp and SelfTest Software. These two companies are part
of
our Practice Test Provider program and agree to follow certain standards
when developing their content.
any chance of taking test king to court?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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Kline Sphere,
Great question. I wish I was able to answer it.
--
Alice Ciccu
Assessments and Certification Exams
Microsoft Learning
"This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no rights." |
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The Poster Formerly Known
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | One other point here. I have noticed that some responders
on this group have a real elitist opinion about being able
to qualify for a certification on anything other that
experience.
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In the real world, experience is all that count's; anyone stupid
enough to believe anything else deserves what they get - nothing.
Having said that, in order get into this profession, people need to be
able to demonstrate they have the aptitude required to start a career
in IT. The way business see's this is through a good education, at
least a Bs/Ba normally.
| Quote: | This attitude is really quite selfish as many
of us can work at large or small corporations for many
years and never gain the experience needed so need and
rely on training and books to get it.
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Well, that's up the company in question. If such companies see you
(the employee) as anything other than an asset, well those companies
should not expect anything in return. However, the door swings both
ways, i.e. give and take.
| Quote: | Many even large
corporations are very slow to invest in new technology and
when they do they seek to keep the expenses down to the
point of very low quality work.
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IT provides a service to the business, period. IT investment should
NOT be centered around the latest buzz worlds which IT grunts want to
get on their resume's.
Because a company does not bow to the marketing blurb of the software
houses, does not mean the 'quality of work' is poor. in fact it is
those companies that take risks with new and unproven technologies,
using inexperienced people, are the ones with the most to lose.
| Quote: | Case in point is the company I worked at here that laid of
over 800 IT people at one time. They still have not
implemented .NET
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So what? I know many people who support systems implemented in Cobol,
Fortran, blah, blah. They earn far more then me, and their respective
companies stock looks good too.
| Quote: | - are struggling to do so but very
poorly. They are mostly leaving it up to the employees to
learn this. In fact they were requiring the IT people to
build ASP.NET WEB pages using Notepad or Homesite. I
suppose they could really learn the in and outs of the
technology but outch.
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The biggest problem in IT is down to many idiots involved at all
levels. Unskilled or poorly trained people have know place in IT. If a
company chooses to pursue such a strategy, they really are just
throwing money away.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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Sandac
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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Alice,
I am using SelfTest Software.
How close are they to the real test question?
Do you recomend them?
Thanks.
Sam.
"Alice Ciccu (MS)" wrote:
| Quote: | "CloseToDotNETSD" <CloseToDotNETSD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:F9A025A3-55B0-402C-A711-57727BB58C5A@microsoft.com...
okay
I know Braindump is pure cheat.
I know that MS provides practice exams for their courses in .NET.
I know they approve the practice exams by MeasureUP and Transcender and
one
other I have seen lately.
So what makes one practice exam okay and another like say (don't flame me
here) testking not okay.
It is very disturbing that there are no clear cut guidelines, just a lot
of
emotion over this issue.
I have been studying for over a year now for MCSD and have only used
MeasureUP simply because it is supplied by the outfit I am using for the
training.
What disturbs me even more is some of my classmates who have not studied
at
all have taken exams and passed with flying colors - like 900+. Even worse
one case I know never took any other exams and only studied for the 70-300
for 2 weeks and took the exam and got 900+ and he told me he would cheat.
So I am upset about this because I won't cheat but my question on testking
still stands. Is it a full out cheat like braindump?
What is the difference????
There are only two Practice Test Providers that Microsoft officially
recognizes, MeasureUp and SelfTest Software. These two companies are part of
our Practice Test Provider program and agree to follow certain standards
when developing their content.
--
Alice Ciccu
Assessments and Certification Exams
Microsoft Learning
"This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no rights."
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valko
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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| Quote: | The biggest problem in IT is down to many idiots involved at all
levels.
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Exactly! I like very much my MCSD.NET logo, but real truth is that there is
no other way to be good developer then working that many years
for real companies doing real business from it (using COBOL, PERL, C#
whatever).
Please do not expect after passing few funny exams to became good
developer - it takes time and work.
As I read somewhere about all new hot, modern etc. technologies: "There is
too many book reading going on, and too less working."
cheers
Valko
"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:1uuco0tqc68dmuvkhgpatq1fvgpb9jcp2c@4ax.com...
| Quote: | One other point here. I have noticed that some responders
on this group have a real elitist opinion about being able
to qualify for a certification on anything other that
experience.
In the real world, experience is all that count's; anyone stupid
enough to believe anything else deserves what they get - nothing.
Having said that, in order get into this profession, people need to be
able to demonstrate they have the aptitude required to start a career
in IT. The way business see's this is through a good education, at
least a Bs/Ba normally.
This attitude is really quite selfish as many
of us can work at large or small corporations for many
years and never gain the experience needed so need and
rely on training and books to get it.
Well, that's up the company in question. If such companies see you
(the employee) as anything other than an asset, well those companies
should not expect anything in return. However, the door swings both
ways, i.e. give and take.
Many even large
corporations are very slow to invest in new technology and
when they do they seek to keep the expenses down to the
point of very low quality work.
IT provides a service to the business, period. IT investment should
NOT be centered around the latest buzz worlds which IT grunts want to
get on their resume's.
Because a company does not bow to the marketing blurb of the software
houses, does not mean the 'quality of work' is poor. in fact it is
those companies that take risks with new and unproven technologies,
using inexperienced people, are the ones with the most to lose.
Case in point is the company I worked at here that laid of
over 800 IT people at one time. They still have not
implemented .NET
So what? I know many people who support systems implemented in Cobol,
Fortran, blah, blah. They earn far more then me, and their respective
companies stock looks good too.
- are struggling to do so but very
poorly. They are mostly leaving it up to the employees to
learn this. In fact they were requiring the IT people to
build ASP.NET WEB pages using Notepad or Homesite. I
suppose they could really learn the in and outs of the
technology but outch.
The biggest problem in IT is down to many idiots involved at all
levels. Unskilled or poorly trained people have know place in IT. If a
company chooses to pursue such a strategy, they really are just
throwing money away.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 |
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UAError
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Please don't flame - real question!! |
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"valko" <valko@yotov.biz> wrote:
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As I read somewhere about all new hot, modern etc. technologies: "There is
too many book reading going on, and too less working."
cheers
Valko
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LOL
So you READ that there's too much READING going on ... looks
like you already joined them.
Actually I think I it was Scott Ambler that wrote somewhere
that the "average" IT worker reads less than 1 technical
book per year - he was making a case that really you should
be aiming for 1 technical book a month (i.e. 12 every year);
that is while you are attending to a full-time job - lets
face it, its part of our job.
We could ask all the vendors to stop developing technology
at this speed so we all could do some actual work rather
than having to constantly update ourselves.
Maybe whats really going on is that there are too many
people working on creating "new" technologies - rather than
doing something "productive" with the technology that
already exits - this continuous learning curve must defeat
most of the promised savings...
Meanwhile everybody is so focused on technology when they
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