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Netwerkz
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 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Things are changing |
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"buckwheat" <buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4260a1cc.0308070752.8b18982@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
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On 30 Jul 2003 23:03:23 -0700, inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com wrote:
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| Quote: | Get real people. If you're in Atlanta, there wouldn't be two people
in front of you, there would be more like 300. Employeers are
laughing all the way to the bank, keeping their investors and
bean-counters happy. The few incompetents that are nervously "just
keeping their jobs" are doing the interviewing - caring or knowing
less about the positions aholes in management instruct them to fill.
Read: CEO's wife's brother who just flunked out of college.
That's ok. One day this will all reverse, and all of the sincere
knowledgable people that have been jerked around for their amusement
are now going to be hell bent on revenge. Go ahead, Verizon,
Lockheed, ATT, IBM. Have your little moment. When this loosens up,
you're the first stop on the incompetent meat processor...
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wow - you recently laid off?
you mentioned 4 major companies but
is the situation any different for any other mid to large
size company?...probably not...and definietly not limited
to Atlanta. The good ol' boy network is still in full effect just
about everywhere - not what you know - but who you know.
Lot of CCIE's out of work ... along with people having their
BS/MS and higher degrees.
okay...back to my CCNA studies. :)
I will be one of those laid off from my current position in the near
future, so I am trying to get a grasp on what I want to do next outside
of IS/IT ....only other option is to take a huge paycut and work for a small
company. The Nursing program is _not_ for everyone as the unemployment
office tries to push people (anyone) in that direction - really _very_ scary
when
you think about it - but it is the hottest job market right now and the pay
is great. |
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Bernie
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Things are changing |
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On 7 Aug 2003 08:52:46 -0700, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com (buckwheat)
wrote:
| Quote: | There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message news:<5e6iivs6qpvu8p1nhpfk10k49ufna301uv@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 23:03:23 -0700, inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Get real people. If you're in Atlanta, there wouldn't be two people
in front of you, there would be more like 300. Employeers are
laughing all the way to the bank, keeping their investors and
bean-counters happy. The few incompetents that are nervously "just
keeping their jobs" are doing the interviewing - caring or knowing
less about the positions aholes in management instruct them to fill.
Read: CEO's wife's brother who just flunked out of college.
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Yes, you are right about the hundreds of applicants. That isn't
unusual anywhere in the US. Don't kid yourself that Atlanta is
somehow worse. Places like San Jose and other telecom centers like
Richardson are going to be worse.
I doubt that you are correct about people not caring about filling the
job. But that doesn't much matter. Having a degree in this
environment at least helps you beat out those that don't. Maybe that
just puts you in the top hundred where you still have to differentiate
yourself. But at least that is better than being in the bottom
hundred...
| Quote: | That's ok. One day this will all reverse, and all of the sincere
knowledgable people that have been jerked around for their amusement
are now going to be hell bent on revenge. Go ahead, Verizon,
Lockheed, ATT, IBM. Have your little moment. When this loosens up,
you're the first stop on the incompetent meat processor...
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Why do you fault them? They are just doing what other businesses are
doing in any free market society. If gas prices suddenly fell (due to
a glut in supply) would you go to the most expensive station in town
to fill up just for the benefit of that gas company? Or would you do
like everyone else and go for the cheaper price. Unfortunately, we
are the oversupply these days.
--Bernie |
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The Real Slim Shady
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Things are changing |
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Well said Bernie. We ARE the oversupply - bug time.
"Bernie" <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:nuk5jvsummn5dhifl5663fk4i7tgf5htk0@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On 7 Aug 2003 08:52:46 -0700, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com (buckwheat)
wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:<5e6iivs6qpvu8p1nhpfk10k49ufna301uv@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 23:03:23 -0700, inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Get real people. If you're in Atlanta, there wouldn't be two people
in front of you, there would be more like 300. Employeers are
laughing all the way to the bank, keeping their investors and
bean-counters happy. The few incompetents that are nervously "just
keeping their jobs" are doing the interviewing - caring or knowing
less about the positions aholes in management instruct them to fill.
Read: CEO's wife's brother who just flunked out of college.
Yes, you are right about the hundreds of applicants. That isn't
unusual anywhere in the US. Don't kid yourself that Atlanta is
somehow worse. Places like San Jose and other telecom centers like
Richardson are going to be worse.
I doubt that you are correct about people not caring about filling the
job. But that doesn't much matter. Having a degree in this
environment at least helps you beat out those that don't. Maybe that
just puts you in the top hundred where you still have to differentiate
yourself. But at least that is better than being in the bottom
hundred...
That's ok. One day this will all reverse, and all of the sincere
knowledgable people that have been jerked around for their amusement
are now going to be hell bent on revenge. Go ahead, Verizon,
Lockheed, ATT, IBM. Have your little moment. When this loosens up,
you're the first stop on the incompetent meat processor...
Why do you fault them? They are just doing what other businesses are
doing in any free market society. If gas prices suddenly fell (due to
a glut in supply) would you go to the most expensive station in town
to fill up just for the benefit of that gas company? Or would you do
like everyone else and go for the cheaper price. Unfortunately, we
are the oversupply these days.
--Bernie |
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Ceyko
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Things are changing |
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depressing...appreciate the nice Saturday chit-chat you fatalistic pimps.
 Meant in humor.
Ceyko
"The Real Slim Shady" <tinker-too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh0n18$srqsh$1@ID-179018.news.uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | Well said Bernie. We ARE the oversupply - bug time.
"Bernie" <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:nuk5jvsummn5dhifl5663fk4i7tgf5htk0@4ax.com...
On 7 Aug 2003 08:52:46 -0700, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com (buckwheat)
wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:<5e6iivs6qpvu8p1nhpfk10k49ufna301uv@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 23:03:23 -0700, inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Get real people. If you're in Atlanta, there wouldn't be two people
in front of you, there would be more like 300. Employeers are
laughing all the way to the bank, keeping their investors and
bean-counters happy. The few incompetents that are nervously "just
keeping their jobs" are doing the interviewing - caring or knowing
less about the positions aholes in management instruct them to fill.
Read: CEO's wife's brother who just flunked out of college.
Yes, you are right about the hundreds of applicants. That isn't
unusual anywhere in the US. Don't kid yourself that Atlanta is
somehow worse. Places like San Jose and other telecom centers like
Richardson are going to be worse.
I doubt that you are correct about people not caring about filling the
job. But that doesn't much matter. Having a degree in this
environment at least helps you beat out those that don't. Maybe that
just puts you in the top hundred where you still have to differentiate
yourself. But at least that is better than being in the bottom
hundred...
That's ok. One day this will all reverse, and all of the sincere
knowledgable people that have been jerked around for their amusement
are now going to be hell bent on revenge. Go ahead, Verizon,
Lockheed, ATT, IBM. Have your little moment. When this loosens up,
you're the first stop on the incompetent meat processor...
Why do you fault them? They are just doing what other businesses are
doing in any free market society. If gas prices suddenly fell (due to
a glut in supply) would you go to the most expensive station in town
to fill up just for the benefit of that gas company? Or would you do
like everyone else and go for the cheaper price. Unfortunately, we
are the oversupply these days.
--Bernie
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nrf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Things are changing |
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"Bernie" <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:nuk5jvsummn5dhifl5663fk4i7tgf5htk0@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On 7 Aug 2003 08:52:46 -0700, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com (buckwheat)
wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:<5e6iivs6qpvu8p1nhpfk10k49ufna301uv@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 23:03:23 -0700, inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Get real people. If you're in Atlanta, there wouldn't be two people
in front of you, there would be more like 300. Employeers are
laughing all the way to the bank, keeping their investors and
bean-counters happy. The few incompetents that are nervously "just
keeping their jobs" are doing the interviewing - caring or knowing
less about the positions aholes in management instruct them to fill.
Read: CEO's wife's brother who just flunked out of college.
Yes, you are right about the hundreds of applicants. That isn't
unusual anywhere in the US. Don't kid yourself that Atlanta is
somehow worse. Places like San Jose and other telecom centers like
Richardson are going to be worse.
I doubt that you are correct about people not caring about filling the
job. But that doesn't much matter. Having a degree in this
environment at least helps you beat out those that don't. Maybe that
just puts you in the top hundred where you still have to differentiate
yourself. But at least that is better than being in the bottom
hundred...
That's ok. One day this will all reverse, and all of the sincere
knowledgable people that have been jerked around for their amusement
are now going to be hell bent on revenge. Go ahead, Verizon,
Lockheed, ATT, IBM. Have your little moment. When this loosens up,
you're the first stop on the incompetent meat processor...
Why do you fault them? They are just doing what other businesses are
doing in any free market society. If gas prices suddenly fell (due to
a glut in supply) would you go to the most expensive station in town
to fill up just for the benefit of that gas company? Or would you do
like everyone else and go for the cheaper price. Unfortunately, we
are the oversupply these days.
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Actually, I think your metaphor is a bit flawed. It's not really the glut
in supply that is the real driving force - it's the massive dropoff in
demand. Put another way, I don't think it's the fact that the number of
network engineers has massively increased is what's really killing us.
True, the numbers have increased substantially, but I don't think that's the
real source of the pain. No, I think what's been far more painful is the
wrenching drop in demand for those engineers. What's the percentage
increase in the number of network engineers compared to the percentage drop
in demand for those guys? I don't know either but I believe the latter
would be larger.
Yeah Yeah, I know you might say that ultimately it boils down to the same
thing - an oversupply, defined as being the difference between what is
demanded vs. what is supplied. No doubt, this is true. But I do think it's
important to pinpoint the exact source of this oversupply.
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Bernie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Things are changing |
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:26:44 GMT, "nrf" <noglikirf@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Bernie" <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:nuk5jvsummn5dhifl5663fk4i7tgf5htk0@4ax.com...
On 7 Aug 2003 08:52:46 -0700, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com (buckwheat)
wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
news:<5e6iivs6qpvu8p1nhpfk10k49ufna301uv@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 23:03:23 -0700, inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a difference between what a job add asks for and what really
goes into filling the job. For example, if you have two people in
front of you without any experience and both seem relatively equal,
one has a degree the other does not, who do you pick? Now maybe your
minimum bar has been exceded by both, but you are still going to
choose the better one to fill the position.
Get real people. If you're in Atlanta, there wouldn't be two people
in front of you, there would be more like 300. Employeers are
laughing all the way to the bank, keeping their investors and
bean-counters happy. The few incompetents that are nervously "just
keeping their jobs" are doing the interviewing - caring or knowing
less about the positions aholes in management instruct them to fill.
Read: CEO's wife's brother who just flunked out of college.
Yes, you are right about the hundreds of applicants. That isn't
unusual anywhere in the US. Don't kid yourself that Atlanta is
somehow worse. Places like San Jose and other telecom centers like
Richardson are going to be worse.
I doubt that you are correct about people not caring about filling the
job. But that doesn't much matter. Having a degree in this
environment at least helps you beat out those that don't. Maybe that
just puts you in the top hundred where you still have to differentiate
yourself. But at least that is better than being in the bottom
hundred...
That's ok. One day this will all reverse, and all of the sincere
knowledgable people that have been jerked around for their amusement
are now going to be hell bent on revenge. Go ahead, Verizon,
Lockheed, ATT, IBM. Have your little moment. When this loosens up,
you're the first stop on the incompetent meat processor...
Why do you fault them? They are just doing what other businesses are
doing in any free market society. If gas prices suddenly fell (due to
a glut in supply) would you go to the most expensive station in town
to fill up just for the benefit of that gas company? Or would you do
like everyone else and go for the cheaper price. Unfortunately, we
are the oversupply these days.
Actually, I think your metaphor is a bit flawed. It's not really the glut
in supply that is the real driving force - it's the massive dropoff in
demand. Put another way, I don't think it's the fact that the number of
network engineers has massively increased is what's really killing us.
True, the numbers have increased substantially, but I don't think that's the
real source of the pain. No, I think what's been far more painful is the
wrenching drop in demand for those engineers. What's the percentage
increase in the number of network engineers compared to the percentage drop
in demand for those guys? I don't know either but I believe the latter
would be larger.
Yeah Yeah, I know you might say that ultimately it boils down to the same
thing - an oversupply, defined as being the difference between what is
demanded vs. what is supplied. No doubt, this is true. But I do think it's
important to pinpoint the exact source of this oversupply.
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Ok, so gas prices drop because SUVs get banned in the US not because
new reserves are found...
--Bernie |
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