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news.iinet.net.au Guest	Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:59 pm    Post subject: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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ec Guest	Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS "news.iinet.net.au" <wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam> wrote in message news:3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au... Quote: Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's. So if Cisco "folds", all 135315987158791978987978`569359879578`09819875975813951 deployed Cisco products magically disappear and don't need supported anymore? Oh, ok.
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Paisleyskye Guest	Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS I highly doubt Cisco or Microsoft are going to go belly-up. -- Tracey J. Rosenblath www.icertify.net "news.iinet.net.au" <wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam> wrote in message news:3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au... Quote: Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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Eddie Haskal Guest	Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS Who could give two shits about any certification? It's the experience you get from contracting or at various places of employment... not the certifications that you have... IMHO. The smartest people in the industry don't have certification. Certifications are joke in this industry. My ex-roommate didn't know *** about Cisco... paid some fly by night school $1700 for his ccna... took test and failed it 5 times... finally passed on the 6th... I called him with the same questions about my router and why ftp wasn't working etc... I asked him how to configure the router from a serial prompt... (looking for config t command) and he couldn't tell me what it was... he even went to say that you could only apply changes to the router via tftp transfers... yes, I am making my changes using notepad and tftping them over... but ***... this guy has a cert and doesn't know jack ***. Just another example of why I believe it is what you know and not what your resume' claims that you know. "news.iinet.net.au" <wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam> wrote in message news:3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au... Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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Eddie Haskal Guest	Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS PS. If Cisco goes *** up... the routers will still be in place and need to be supported. So, who cares who owns them? "Eddie Haskal" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:STQYa.160869$R92.11109@news2.central.cox.net... Who could give two shits about any certification? It's the experience you get from contracting or at various places of employment... not the certifications that you have... IMHO. The smartest people in the industry don't have certification. Certifications are joke in this industry. My ex-roommate didn't know *** about Cisco... paid some fly by night school $1700 for his ccna... took test and failed it 5 times... finally passed on the 6th... I called him with the same questions about my router and why ftp wasn't working etc... I asked him how to configure the router from a serial prompt... (looking for config t command) and he couldn't tell me what it was... he even went to say that you could only apply changes to the router via tftp transfers... yes, I am making my changes using notepad and tftping them over... but ***... this guy has a cert and doesn't know jack ***. Just another example of why I believe it is what you know and not what your resume' claims that you know. "news.iinet.net.au" <wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam> wrote in message news:3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au... Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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JWC Guest	Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS That's why Cisco started the Cisco Networking Academy! Eddie Haskal wrote: Quote: Who could give two shits about any certification? It's the experience you get from contracting or at various places of employment... not the certifications that you have... IMHO. The smartest people in the industry don't have certification. Certifications are joke in this industry. My ex-roommate didn't know *** about Cisco... paid some fly by night school $1700 for his ccna... took test and failed it 5 times... finally passed on the 6th... I called him with the same questions about my router and why ftp wasn't working etc... I asked him how to configure the router from a serial prompt... (looking for config t command) and he couldn't tell me what it was... he even went to say that you could only apply changes to the router via tftp transfers... yes, I am making my changes using notepad and tftping them over... but ***... this guy has a cert and doesn't know jack ***. Just another example of why I believe it is what you know and not what your resume' claims that you know. "news.iinet.net.au" <wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam> wrote in message news:3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au... Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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Dave Christian Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS Just imagine if the world quits using computers and telecommunication equipment. Then we're all screwed. In article <3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>, wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam says... Quote: Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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Eddie Haskal Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS Holy ***!! I never thought of that. What would I do? "Dave Christian" <dcnews@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:MPG.199dc68cf4eecceb9898a6@news-server.cfl.rr.com... Just imagine if the world quits using computers and telecommunication equipment. Then we're all screwed. In article <3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>, wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam says... Quote: Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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Bekim Abazoski Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS I would start to build custom Gokarts. "Eddie Haskal" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:y%TYa.167649$R92.121032@news2.central.cox.net... Quote: Holy ***!! I never thought of that. What would I do? "Dave Christian" <dcnews@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:MPG.199dc68cf4eecceb9898a6@news-server.cfl.rr.com... Just imagine if the world quits using computers and telecommunication equipment. Then we're all screwed. In article <3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>, wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam says... Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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Eddie Haskal Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:24 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS Mame cabinets here... "Bekim Abazoski" <bekim321@verizon.net> wrote in message news:6oUYa.467$794.416@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... I would start to build custom Gokarts. "Eddie Haskal" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:y%TYa.167649$R92.121032@news2.central.cox.net... Quote: Holy ***!! I never thought of that. What would I do? "Dave Christian" <dcnews@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:MPG.199dc68cf4eecceb9898a6@news-server.cfl.rr.com... Just imagine if the world quits using computers and telecommunication equipment. Then we're all screwed. In article <3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>, wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam says... Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's.
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radioactiveman Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:14:26 +0000, Eddie Haskal wrote: Quote: this guy has a cert and doesn't know jack *** some of the people i work with that has years of experience don't know jack *** either. they've been getting by with minimal knowledge. i guess its all different.
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Eddie Haskal Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:31 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS Trust me... I see this every day at the railroad. There are many people I work with that couldn't get by if they were the only employee in the shop. Amazing. "radioactiveman" <radioactivem@springfield.com> wrote in message news:pan.2003.08.08.22.06.01.330919@springfield.com... On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:14:26 +0000, Eddie Haskal wrote: Quote: this guy has a cert and doesn't know jack *** some of the people i work with that has years of experience don't know jack *** either. they've been getting by with minimal knowledge. i guess its all different.
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mikester Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS I'd just start working on cars again... =-)
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Ceyko Guest	Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS I concur and do not concur that certifications do not mean crap. I work in an industry that is "results oriented" and have the pleasure of being a hiring manager. I only look at the experience section of a resume and interview based off the job requirements and try to confirm their claimed experience. However, I am still a techie and I do not always want to work in this industry overseas. Therefore I am trying to pump out the various certifications. To say certifications do not mean ***, is not fair. 1. Companies do care 2. As an example - I knew enough to pass the CCNA exam without any real studies. However, I did fine tune multiple areas of my knowledge of some of the topics by studying. Paper certs are what causes a bad rap for these certs. 3. You can have 8 years of experience but will often get beat out by someone with 2 years of experience with the certs. Regardless of skill level overall. Basically, certs are not worthless. People becoming paper certified are making them less valuable, but a tech with certifications and experience can very competitive. I went 5 years without certifications, because I thought they were ridiculous. Now, I see it from another angle and they do serve a purpose. At worst, you learn a lot of detailed information and can straighten out facts. Also, you can use the study material as reference material. :) Ceyko "radioactiveman" <radioactivem@springfield.com> wrote in message news:pan.2003.08.08.22.06.01.330919@springfield.com... Quote: On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:14:26 +0000, Eddie Haskal wrote: this guy has a cert and doesn't know jack *** some of the people i work with that has years of experience don't know jack *** either. they've been getting by with minimal knowledge. i guess its all different. x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups x-- Access to over 800 Gigs/Day - $8.95/Month x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD
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John Agosta Guest	Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT IF CISCO FOLDS "news.iinet.net.au" <wecreate@iinet.net.au.nospam> wrote in message news:3f33acde$0$23612$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au... Quote: Anybody ever consider if cisco as a company folds or got sold. All those certications may = dog crap. same goes for Microsoft! Although they may seem like big companys, but we have all seen other BIG companies die too over the years. Worldcomm etc. Makes me want a generic cert, or even a UNI degree over cert's. I think spending time wondering if Cisco will 'fold' is about as silly as putting money on the Cubs to win the World Series. It ain't gonna happen. ;-) -ja
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