3700 routers for CCIE exams now.

Ghazan Haider · Guest

The cisco website says 3700 router experience will soon be required.
They obviously want to make more money off potential CCIEs but we have
to do what we have to do. Now where in the world can I get low-cost
used 3700s? The only post on eBay is upwards of 5k, compare that with
the 2600s there.

My main question here is can you get by with a complete CCIE lab
including a 3550, one 3600 and one 2600 and a whole slew of 2500s
using ATM, fr, ethernet, tokenring all having IOS 12.2? If you know
2500s and 2600s well and just have one days lab rental experience for
a 3700, do you know all about a 3700? Or is there something very new
about it.

The Real Slim Shady · Guest

I cannot thik of any feature that you can run on the 3700's that is not
available on the 3600 series. I'll wait for the blizzard on posts to
contradict me here but in general the 3700 is almost a box for box
replacement for the 3600 series. From a CCIE R+S lab perspective there is
nothing that should cause you sleepness nights. The only reason that Cisco
have gone up to the 3700 is that the 36xx series have been end-of-lifed by
Cisco so the 37xx is the lab replacement.

As long as you have plenty of routers and a couple of 3550's you'll be okay.

On another note - I am sorry to see the 36xx series go. They are the box
that I cut my teeth on. I have installed them by the lorryload and have
given my customers years of faithfull service.

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The Real Slim Shady · Guest

No problem. The 3700 is a more sensibly thought out box than the 3600
series as far as integrators are concerned. All the 3600's had no
connectivity options whatsoever when new out of the box. Not even an
ethernet port. This meant you had to buy modules straight away in order for
it to do anthing. System integrators like myself were starting to find it
hard to sell 3600 because of the cost. Cisco took this on board with the
37xx series and the box comes with ethernet ports built onto the motherboard
and WIC slots immediatly available on the motherboard - no more of this
buying a NM-1E2W etc. We have found them to be about 15% cheaper overall.

The main reason for the EOL was the fact that the RISC CPU on the 36xx
series became obsolete. The current 37xx series are significantly faster
than the 36xx boxes they replace - particularly where "high touch" features
like 3DES and QOS/policing are concerned. In terms of functionality they do
nothing that the 36xx cannot do - at the moment that is. However, remember
that the CCIE R+S is just that, routing and switching. A 2500 can do that
as well as anything else - only slower. Ove time however, voice and
security and maybe QOS features may be introduced that will only run on a
faster platfrrm like the 37xx. I personally doubt it for the foreseeable
future but it is certainly a possibility in the long term.

Slim

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Ghazan Haider · Guest

Like many other CCIE students Ive been trying to cut costs against the
cisco websites claim that you need 2600, 3600, 3700 and 3550's
experiences. I'll go with a 3620 + 1e1r2w an isdn wic and an atm nm or
4t nm (both if I can afford a 3640). This should cover anything that
the 2600 and 3700 offers capability-wise. Ive 6+ 2500 routers but just
need the physical experience of NMs WICs and newer IOSes on more dram.
However I dont think I'll need more than one 3550 (1900?) since
multiple routers are needed for routing protocols, accesslists,
technologies(like atm,fr) but one switch should suffice no?

The Real Slim Shady · Guest

No, you should have two 3550's. You'll be expected to know how to set up
VLAN's between them and route between those vlans perhaps on the box that
has no access ports in those vlans, say. A million nasties I could dream up
there. Okay, you could do this with a lesser switch for one of the boxes
but I strongly advise against it. You'll be expected to know QOS on the
3550's as well. Remember, this is the routing AND switching exam - not just
routing. Forget that at your peril. I have known several candidates who
thought they knew enough about switching and just studied routing. Big
mistake. It is not rocket science but if you can't do the switching you can
wave goodbye to a lot of marks - enough to fail the lab since you need to
score 80%. That's enough discussion about the lab....

I suggest you go to the CCIE website and read between the lines. It tells
you exactly what you need to know. Remember that ATM and MPLS are tested
more heavily in communications and services.

Have a look on:
www.routerie.com

Its a free discussion forum about CCIE. Best of luck.

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