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Arsalan
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 Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: MCPD? |
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What exactly are MCPD ?
a.. Professional Developer: Web Developer
a.. Professional Developer: Windows Developer
a.. Professional Developer: Enterprise Applications Developer
There seem to be 3 of them. Does Enterprice Application Developer cover both
Web and Window Developer ? Or is it something totally different? |
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Daniel Carbajal [MVP]
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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The 3 are MCPD, and the 3rd one cover the other 2
Regards,
Daniel
"Arsalan" <arsalan_aslam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What exactly are MCPD ?
a.. Professional Developer: Web Developer
a.. Professional Developer: Windows Developer
a.. Professional Developer: Enterprise Applications Developer
There seem to be 3 of them. Does Enterprice Application Developer cover
both Web and Window Developer ? Or is it something totally different?
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Cerebrus
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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| The third one is the "Papa" of the first two ! ;-) |
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Arsalan
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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Haha, so is the exam available yet?
"Cerebrus" <zorg007@sify.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The third one is the "Papa" of the first two ! ;-)
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Cerebrus
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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| Quote: | so is the exam available yet?
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In beta, YES. |
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Vee
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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How abt the exam prep materials? Can you please suggest any good books?
Thanks,
Vee.
"Cerebrus" wrote:
| Quote: | so is the exam available yet?
In beta, YES.
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Archana
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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Here is examwise list for books as suggested by Microsoft.
All the books are NOT Available yet.
I am mentioning date of availability of book along with names of the books
in following list.
Professional Developer: Enterprise Applications Developer
Exam 70–549: PRO: Designing and Developing Enterprise Applications by Using
the Microsoft .NET Framework
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-529 and 70-549): Distributed
Application Development/Developing Enterprise Applications -- 10/04/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
3) CLR via C#: Applied Microsoft .NET Framework Programming, second
Edition-- Available
4) Debugging, Tuning, and Testing Microsoft .NET 2.0 Applications --
9/27/2006
Exam 70–536: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Application Development
Foundation
1) MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-536): Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0
Foundation -- 06/07/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
Exam 70–528: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Web-Based Client Development
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-528 and 70-547): Developing
Web Applications -- 10/04/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
3) Programming Microsoft ADO.NET 2.0 Core Reference -- 06/14/2006
4) Programming Microsoft ASP.NET 2.0 Core Reference -- 11/02/2005
5) Programming Microsoft ASP.NET 2.0 Applications: Advanced Topics
Exam 70–526: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Windows-Based Client
Development
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-526 and 70-548): Developing
Windows-Based Applications
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
3) Programming Microsoft ADO.NET 2.0 Core Reference -- 06/14/2006
Exam 70–529: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Distributed Application
Development
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-529 and 70-549): Distributed
Application Development/Developing Enterprise Applications -- 10/04/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
"Vee" wrote:
| Quote: | How abt the exam prep materials? Can you please suggest any good books?
Thanks,
Vee.
"Cerebrus" wrote:
so is the exam available yet?
In beta, YES.
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Cerebrus
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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| Thank you for that compilation, Archana ! |
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Vee
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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Archana,
Thanks very much for the info Archana.
I'm planning to take 70-536 first. However the Amit kalani books are not
available yet.
I understand from your message that for Exam 70–536:
"Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available"
Are there going to be questions from C# too? I do have knowledge in C#, but
primarily I program in VB (.Net). Also when I checked abt the exam, it was
mentioned that "When the exam begins, you can choose the programming language
in which the code segments will appear."
So do you think I should still prepare for C# too? I'm realy confused.
Please explain.
Thanks..
"Archana" wrote:
| Quote: | Here is examwise list for books as suggested by Microsoft.
All the books are NOT Available yet.
I am mentioning date of availability of book along with names of the books
in following list.
Professional Developer: Enterprise Applications Developer
Exam 70–549: PRO: Designing and Developing Enterprise Applications by Using
the Microsoft .NET Framework
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-529 and 70-549): Distributed
Application Development/Developing Enterprise Applications -- 10/04/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
3) CLR via C#: Applied Microsoft .NET Framework Programming, second
Edition-- Available
4) Debugging, Tuning, and Testing Microsoft .NET 2.0 Applications --
9/27/2006
Exam 70–536: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Application Development
Foundation
1) MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-536): Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0
Foundation -- 06/07/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
Exam 70–528: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Web-Based Client Development
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-528 and 70-547): Developing
Web Applications -- 10/04/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
3) Programming Microsoft ADO.NET 2.0 Core Reference -- 06/14/2006
4) Programming Microsoft ASP.NET 2.0 Core Reference -- 11/02/2005
5) Programming Microsoft ASP.NET 2.0 Applications: Advanced Topics
Exam 70–526: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Windows-Based Client
Development
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-526 and 70-548): Developing
Windows-Based Applications
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
3) Programming Microsoft ADO.NET 2.0 Core Reference -- 06/14/2006
Exam 70–529: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 - Distributed Application
Development
1) MCTS/MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-529 and 70-549): Distributed
Application Development/Developing Enterprise Applications -- 10/04/2006
2) Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Core Reference -- Available
"Vee" wrote:
How abt the exam prep materials? Can you please suggest any good books?
Thanks,
Vee.
"Cerebrus" wrote:
so is the exam available yet?
In beta, YES.
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Sumit Amar [MSFT]
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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Daniel and others: the 3rd one (MCPD - Enterprise App Dev) doesn't cover the
other 2 (MCPD - Web Dev and MCPD - Windows Dev). That means MCPD - EAD is NOT
the super set of Web and Windows tracks. If you have MCPD - EAD you'll still
need two exams (70-547 and 70-548) to complete the remaining MCPDs. You can
have a look at Vishal's blog at http://vishaljoshi.blogspot.com/ to
understand the whole scenario.
thanks
Sumit
Microsoft Corporation
"Daniel Carbajal [MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | The 3 are MCPD, and the 3rd one cover the other 2
Regards,
Daniel
"Arsalan" <arsalan_aslam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What exactly are MCPD ?
a.. Professional Developer: Web Developer
a.. Professional Developer: Windows Developer
a.. Professional Developer: Enterprise Applications Developer
There seem to be 3 of them. Does Enterprice Application Developer cover
both Web and Window Developer ? Or is it something totally different?
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Cerebrus
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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Hi Sumit,
It is still unclear to me as to why would a person who is MCPD:EAD, be
interested in getting MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win certs ? My understanding is
that MCPD:EAD is a superior certification to the Web or Win tracks.
This is what the MCPD page says about EAD :
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The Microsoft Certified Professional Developer: Enterprise Applications
Developer (MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer) certification
demonstrates that you have the comprehensive skills that are required
to build n-tier solutions that ******target both Web and rich-client
user experiences.******
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I think the confusion is because I am talking about the purpose of the
certification while you are talking about the content of the exams.
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Thor
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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"Cerebrus" <zorg007@sify.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi Sumit,
It is still unclear to me as to why would a person who is MCPD:EAD, be
interested in getting MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win certs ? My understanding is
that MCPD:EAD is a superior certification to the Web or Win tracks.
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Wearing the team-building hat I would prefer a MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win
developer to do a job implementing web or win applications and maybe a
MCPD:EAD with some sql or biztalk abilities helping to architect.
I believe -547 and -548 are there to measure architecural knowledge of
webdev and windev not measured with the TS-exams.
It makes sense to me. I failed 71-547 and 71-548, while I passed 71-549 (no
prep on any)...
You need to know webdev and windev on the TS-level to do a good job with the
distributed stuff, but a deeper architectural understanding on webdev and
windev might not be required.
Myself, I consider to combine distributed with some DB, process and
analytical certs, I doubt I'll take the pro webdev or windev, though, there
should be a new version coming...
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Cerebrus
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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Thor wrote:
| Quote: | Wearing the team-building hat I would prefer a MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win
developer to do a job implementing web or win applications and maybe a
MCPD:EAD with some sql or biztalk abilities helping to architect.
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Thank you Thor, for that illuminating take on the different roles of
the certified individuals in the team. It clarifies some concepts...
but I believe my original question is still unanswered :
"Why would a person who is already MCPD:EAD, be interested in getting
MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win certs ?"
In my case, I'm MCSD.NET, so I would naturally prefer to take the 2
upgrade exams (553 and 554) and upgrade to MCPD:EAD. Why should I even
bother with the rest of the exams ? Or should I ? |
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Chris Mullins
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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"Cerebrus" <zorg007@sify.com> wrote
| Quote: | It is still unclear to me as to why would a person who is MCPD:EAD, be
interested in getting MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win certs ?
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Yea, I wonder that quite a bit myself. Especially as the MCPD:EAD requires
the MCTS for both Win & Web development.
I spent some time looking at what's tested by the remaining MCPD tests (for
Win and Web) and it's mostly requirements, design, and infrastructure
stuff - in other words, things I would think would already by covered by my
MCPD:Enterprise. It's not as if those tests look to be hardcore WinForms or
ASP.Net tests. Sure there's more of it, but nothing I would really conisder
to be above-and-beyond what I was already tested for when I got the MCTS
certifications.
It's especailly weird, as my MCSD.Net certifications saw me passing both the
WinForms and WebForms tests. I would have thought that passing the 2 upgrade
exams would give the MCPD for those two specialites as well.
I keep trying to talk myself into taking the 2 remaining tests, but I can't
quite get there.
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Chris Mullins, MCSD.Net, MCPD:Enterprise
http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins |
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Chris Mullins
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: Re: MCPD? |
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"Thor" <gorm_b@hotmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | It is still unclear to me as to why would a person who is MCPD:EAD, be
interested in getting MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win certs ? My understanding is
that MCPD:EAD is a superior certification to the Web or Win tracks.
Wearing the team-building hat I would prefer a MCPD:Web or MCPD:Win
developer to do a job implementing web or win applications and maybe a
MCPD:EAD with some sql or biztalk abilities helping to architect.
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I wouldn't agree with that. I would prefer everyone to have the EAD hat, as
it requires a very solid understanding of the Win & Web material, as well as
the signifigantly more complex field of inter-process communication. On a
team with reasonably complex applications, everyone needs to know how to
build, consume, and manipulate web services, remoted applications, and other
related technogies. Added to that, the MCPD Win & Web certs don't seem to
offer any signifigant advantages in terms of architectural knowledge.
They're a bit more specialized, sure, but not so much as to really be a
compelling sale to me.
Speaking for a moment as an MCPD:EAD, I spend most of my time wearing a
systems architect hat. These systems typically have a database for a back
end (sometimes sql or oracle, sometimes they hit CICS transactions, and
sometimes they're downright weird), a business and data tier wrapped by web
services, (occasionally) some pure SOA components, and both Win & Web front
ends. There are also typically internet and intranet components,
administration components, all of which we try to have leverage a common
infrastructure.
If someone told me I had to architect a BizTalk solution, or a full data
wharehouse soution, I would look at them a bit funny and ask them what kind
of training budget I have accesss to.
| Quote: | I believe -547 and -548 are there to measure architecural knowledge of
webdev and windev not measured with the TS-exams.
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There's not alot of architectural knowledge really in Win or Web
development - at least not that the exams teach. In either case, the
architecture should be mostly the same, with a business tier, a data tier, a
set of aspects for providing utility functions, and a UI Process layer. As
long as the System Architecture is done well, the presentation tier
technology is largley immaterial from the perspective of the architect.
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Chris Mullins, MCSD.Net, MCPD:Enterprise
http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins |
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